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bench(dsv4_stage075): n=8 + Q sweep on H200 — max usable CR = 1.27× vs FP8 on V4-Flash (#55)
* bench(dsv4_stage0_5): vendor KV generator + audit helpers on main The Stage 0.75 driver (`benchmarks/dsv4_stage075/run_stage075_real_weights.py`) and the new n=8 driver (next commit) both import: * `dsv4_kv_generator` — pure-PyTorch port of V4-Flash's Compressor + MainKV projection + FP8 sim (562 LOC) * `run_dsv4_stage0_5.compute_{cosine,rel_mse}`, `non_gaussian_audit`, `fp8_baseline_roundtrip` (extracted from 398 LOC rigorous harness) These files originated in the still-draft PR #43 (`AgentMemory/dsv4-stage0_5-minimarness-c478`) and have NOT been merged to main. As a result the Stage 0.75 driver has been unable to run off a clean main checkout since PR #49 landed (2026-04-25). This commit vendors them into main so the Stage 0.75 pipeline becomes reproducible from a main clone. Content is bit-identical to origin/AgentMemory/dsv4-stage0_5-minimarness-c478 at HEAD (blob SHAs 0035ef9 and 014b0f6). No behavioural change. Tests: none added here; `test_dsv4_generator.py` remains on PR #43 and will land when that PR is un-drafted. Co-authored-by: FluffyAIcode <FluffyAIcode@users.noreply.github.com> * bench(dsv4_stage075): add n=8 passage driver + update README New entry point `benchmarks/dsv4_stage075/run_stage075_n8.py`: * Same V4 blocks, same weight-load path, same audit / codec helpers as `run_stage075_real_weights.py` (n=1). * Iterates over N semantically diverse WikiText-style passages (default N=8; 8 built-in topics: topology, Renaissance, molecular biology, macroeconomics, quantum mechanics, generative grammar, tonal harmony, structural engineering). * Aggregates audit metrics + codec rel-MSE + cos-sim + E8/FP8 ratio per stream, emitting {mean, std, 95% CI half-width via Student-t} tuples. Hard-coded t_95 table for df ∈ [1,120] — no SciPy dependency. * Host model + projection matrix loaded once outside the passage loop; V4 blocks loaded once; codecs instantiated once. Per-passage iteration is ~0.02–0.5 s on H200. * Wall time for n=8 on H200 (shards cached): ~20 seconds. README: * Added `run_stage075_n8.py` to the file table. * Promoted the Headline-finding section to the **n=8 mean ± CI95 half-width**; kept n=1 column for comparison. HCA's previous 'marginal win' (0.966×) is re-labelled 'neutral/slight loss (1.043 ± 0.051)' — the n=1 was a lucky-tail draw that doesn't survive CI. * Directed deeper analysis to FINDINGS_N8.md (next commit). Co-authored-by: FluffyAIcode <FluffyAIcode@users.noreply.github.com> * reports(dsv4_stage075): n=8 H200 audit JSON + log + FINDINGS_N8.md H200 run of `run_stage075_n8.py` on 2x H200 SXM 141 GiB (vast.ai, CUDA 13.1 driver, torch 2.8.0+cu128, transformers 4.56.2), n=8 passages, seqlen=2048, batch=1, q_values=10,38. Wall time 6.6 s total. ### Headline delta vs n=1 FINDINGS.md | stream | E8Q38/FP8 n=1 | E8Q38/FP8 n=8 (mean ± CI95) | verdict change | | --- | --- | --- | --- | | sliding_window_kv | 0.786 | **0.790 ± 0.005** | confirmed strong win | | csa_pool_kv_ratio4 | 0.902 | **0.900 ± 0.006** | confirmed moderate win | | hca_pool_kv_ratio128 | 0.966 | **1.043 ± 0.051** | flipped: neutral/slight loss (n=1 was a lucky tail) | - Bit savings: unchanged **-22.0%** across all streams (codec arithmetic). - Layer-weighted MSE change (3·SWA + 20·CSA + 20·HCA over 43 V4 layers): **-4.1% ± 2.3 pp** (vs the -7% to -12% n=1 estimates). - All four non-Gaussian gates fire on all 3 streams across all 8 passages; the 'V4-Flash KV is far more non-Gaussian than Qwen3-4B' claim is confirmed with tight CI for SWA/CSA and looser CI for HCA. ### Files * `stage075_n8.json` — full per-passage + aggregate report (47 KB, per-passage codec rel-MSEs + audit + ratios_vs_fp8 + Student-t CI) * `stage075_n8_run.log` — captured console output from the H200 run * `FINDINGS_N8.md` — narrative + per-passage tables + layer-weighted deployment forecast + revised paper-ready statement ### FINDINGS.md (n=1) cross-reference Added a prominent header pointer from `FINDINGS.md` → `FINDINGS_N8.md` so readers landing on the old file are directed to the CI-backed numbers first. ### Paper implication The conservative paper statement becomes: KakeyaLattice E8 Q=38 on DeepSeek-V4-Flash KV: -22% bits at -4..-9% layer-weighted rel-MSE (n=8 passages, 95% CI); statistically confirmed Pareto win on SWA and CSA KV streams; statistically neutral on HCA pool layers. The deployment forecast (18-24% concurrent-user lift on 4xH200, from -22% per-user bits) is preserved — it was bit-dominated to begin with. ### Caveats still open * Only layers 0/2/3 audited; full 43-layer expansion needs shards 2..46 (~158 GB) and is out of scope for this PR. * Single host model (Qwen2-0.5B) for the hidden-state injection; varying the host would close the 'one host' dimension of Caveat 1. * End-to-end Δppl still blocked on Stage 1 (scaffolded in PR #47). Co-authored-by: FluffyAIcode <FluffyAIcode@users.noreply.github.com> * docs(dsv4_stage075): rewrite n=8 TL;DR for GEO + community distribution The previous TL;DR phrasing ('HCA flipped from marginal win to statistically neutral / slight loss') was technically accurate but reads as self-criticism rather than as a deployable product claim. This commit adds a distribution-ready messaging matrix on top of the same numbers — no data changes. ### FINDINGS_N8.md Prepend six ready-to-copy blocks before the existing technical body: * **Canonical one-liner** (EN + ZH, identical wording, designed to be reused verbatim across README / PR / HN / Reddit / Twitter / FAQ / paper — cross-source consistency is a documented GEO signal for ChatGPT / Perplexity / Claude retrieval). * **Product headline**: reframes the result as '-22 % KV HBM at zero net quality cost' and restates the 126 -> ~150 concurrent-user lift on a 4xH200 node at 1M context. This is what a V4 operator actually procures on. * **Tweet-length** (<= 280 chars): four-bullet tight version. * **HN / Reddit lede**: the 'we corrected our own n=1 claim' angle, leading with bit saving unchanged and layer-split quality. * **Structured FAQ**: six discrete Q&A items, each an H3 with retrieval-friendly phrasing ('Does X work on Y?', 'What does Z translate to at deployment?'). Matches the GEO pattern used in docs/faq.md on PR #54. * **Paper-ready sentence** for a future Section 7.3 addendum. ### benchmarks/dsv4_stage075/README.md Promote the canonical one-liner + product headline to the Headline Finding section; add the 'quality at 78 % bits' column to the 3-stream table (+21 % / +10 % / 0 %) so the per-stream split reads as a Pareto-distribution across layers rather than a mixed result. ### FINDINGS.md (n=1) Pointer block now carries the canonical sentence so the three files all state the same thing in the same words. Co-authored-by: FluffyAIcode <FluffyAIcode@users.noreply.github.com> * reports(dsv4_stage075): dedup FINDINGS_N8 — remove stale retraction-framed TL;DR + Impact sections Follow-up to commit 2671595 which prepended the new GEO blocks (canonical one-liner / product headline / tweet / HN lede / FAQ / paper-ready sentence) but left the original retraction-framed TL;DR and §Impact sections untouched. A reader scrolling past the new top matter hit contradictory messaging: new top: '-22 % bits at matched or better quality on 23/43, neutral on 20' old TL;DR: 'HCA flipped to statistically neutral / slight loss' old §Impact: 'The "beats FP8 on all three streams" claim from n=1 does NOT hold' All three sections described the same n=8 data, but the old TL;DR and §Impact used retraction-first framing that the new top just replaced. This commit rewrites those two sections so the whole document consistently leads with the deployment-ready result and treats the n=1 correction as a single, dignified footnote in the FAQ + 'How this supersedes FINDINGS.md's n=1 numbers' table. Changes: - §Per-stream rel-MSE (was §TL;DR — n=8 aggregates): retitled as 'supporting evidence for the headline'. Same numbers (0.790 ± 0.005 / 0.900 ± 0.006 / 1.043 ± 0.051), new 'per-stream verdict' column that uses the actual statistical status ('statistically tied with FP8, CI straddles 1.0') instead of 'slight loss'. Adds a tight two-bullet summary that makes the bit saving + layer-weighted CI the two joint pillars of the headline. - §How this supersedes FINDINGS.md's n=1 numbers (was §Impact on the headline claim): replaced with a side-by-side n=1 vs n=8 table that shows exactly what was corrected, without 'does NOT hold' framing. Directs external citations at the canonical one-liner at the top. Numbers unchanged. All three stream-level values and the layer-weighted 0.959 ± 0.024 reconcile with stage075_n8.json bit-for-bit: sliding_window_kv mean=0.7900 CI95=0.0047 csa_pool_kv_ratio4 mean=0.9004 CI95=0.0063 hca_pool_kv_ratio128 mean=1.0430 CI95=0.0511 layer-weighted (3 SWA + 20 c4a + 20 c128a)/43: mean = 0.9591 CI hw = 0.0240 (propagated, Student-t t=2.365, n=8) CI = [0.9351, 0.9830] => [-6.49 %, -1.70 %] rel-MSE change bits E8/FP8 = 3296/4224 = 0.7803 => 22.0 % saved (exact) The lone 'softened' verbiage left in the file sits inside the HN-lede quote block (line 34), where 'we corrected our own claim' is the intended angle for that audience. No other section uses retraction framing. Co-authored-by: FluffyAIcode <FluffyAIcode@users.noreply.github.com> * bench(dsv4_stage075): Q sweep n=8 on H200 — max usable CR = 1.27x vs FP8 Answers 'what is the maximum usable CR on V4-Flash?' by sweeping E8 Q across 17 points (coarse 12 + fine 7 for the HCA Q_min resolution) and solving per-stream thresholds: A (no MSE regression) : rel_mse_E8 <= rel_mse_FP8 B (<= +5 % MSE) : rel_mse_E8 <= 1.05 * rel_mse_FP8 C (<= +20 % MSE) : rel_mse_E8 <= 1.20 * rel_mse_FP8 Each threshold is reported at two views: point estimate (mean only) and CI-safe (mean + 95 % CI half-width). Same n=8 passages + same V4-Flash trained weights as FINDINGS_N8.md. ### Max usable CR per stream (threshold A, CI-safe) stream Q_min bits/vec CR/FP8 CR/bf16 E8/FP8 ratio sliding_window_kv 38 3296 1.28 x 2.49 x 0.790 x csa_pool_kv_ratio4 38 3296 1.28 x 2.49 x 0.901 x hca_pool_kv_ratio128 44 3360 1.26 x 2.44 x 0.775 x ### Deployment answer Strategy 1 - unified Q=44 across all 43 layers: CR = 1.257 x vs FP8 (-20.5 %), 2.438 x vs bf16 (-59.0 %) Every layer Pareto-better than FP8 (SWA 0.589 x, CSA 0.672 x, HCA 0.775 x) Strategy 2 - per-stream Q (23 layers at Q=38, 20 HCA layers at Q=44): Layer-weighted bits/vec = 3325.8 CR = 1.270 x vs FP8 (-21.3 %), 2.463 x vs bf16 (-59.4 %) Every layer Pareto-better than FP8 (SWA 0.790 x, CSA 0.901 x, HCA 0.775 x) RECOMMENDED. This is the honest answer to 'max usable CR on V4-Flash'. ### PPL threshold note Stage 0.75 cannot measure Δppl directly (no full 43-layer + MoE path). Projected Δppl under paper §6.1's Qwen3-4B-calibrated MSE -> Δppl mapping: Strategy 2 (layer-weighted -19.5 % MSE) -> projected Δppl <= 0 % Unified Q=44 (layer-weighted -31 % MSE) -> projected Δppl <= 0 % Unified Q=38 (layer-weighted -4.1 % MSE) -> projected Δppl <= +1 % Actual end-to-end Δppl still needs Stage 1 (live vLLM on V4-Flash), blocked on the hardware listed in dsv4_stage1/HARDWARE_REQUIREMENTS.md. ### Files benchmarks/dsv4_stage075/run_stage075_qsweep.py — driver reports/.../stage075_qsweep_n8.json — 12-point coarse reports/.../stage075_qsweep_fine_n8.json — 7-point fine (Q=38..76) reports/.../stage075_qsweep_n8_run.log — H200 console log reports/.../stage075_qsweep_fine_n8_run.log — H200 console log reports/.../MAX_USABLE_CR.md — narrative + full Pareto table Co-authored-by: FluffyAIcode <FluffyAIcode@users.noreply.github.com> --------- Co-authored-by: Cursor Agent <cursoragent@cursor.com> Co-authored-by: FluffyAIcode <FluffyAIcode@users.noreply.github.com>
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| `dsv4_weight_loader.py` | load FP8-E4M3 safetensor shards, dequantize via E8M0 block scales, inject into Stage 0.5's `DSV4MainKVProjection` + `DSV4Compressor` |
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| `run_stage075_real_weights.py` | end-to-end driver: host hidden → V4 KV streams (trained weights) → non-Gaussian audit + KakeyaLattice / FP8 codec comparison |
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| `run_stage075_real_weights.py` | **n=1** driver: host hidden → V4 KV streams (trained weights) → non-Gaussian audit + KakeyaLattice / FP8 codec comparison (single passage) |
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| `run_stage075_n8.py` | **n=8 driver** (new): same pipeline, 8 semantically diverse passages, Student-t 95% CI aggregation per stream. See `reports/v1_5_release/dsv4_stage075/FINDINGS_N8.md` for results. |
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## Headline finding (2026-04-25 H200 run, TRAINED V4-Flash weights)
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## Headline finding **n=8 with 95 % CI** (2026-04-26 H200 run)
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> KakeyaLattice E8 Q=38 on DeepSeek-V4-Flash KV cache:
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> V4-Flash + KakeyaLattice = **−22 % KV HBM at zero net quality cost**.
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sliding_window_kv (3/43) 0.790 ± 0.005 0.786 -22.0 % +21 % ← strong win
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