K1 Max camera stops #508
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Also getting this problem on a K1 with the self-added camera. |
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I have same issue with K1C. |
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I notice this error in dmesg: |
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My K1C has the same log-entries. Did you ever get rid of these usb-disconnects? |
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My camera has stopped working as well since the last update. The CPU maxing out at 100%. |
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Are you guys by chance heating your enclosed chamber? I have had zero problems with the K1C camera on the latest script and firmware...until I closed it up, turned on my chamber heater (my own added that tops out at 50°C), and attempted to print ABS. Twice now, the camera has cut out once the temps get high in the chamber. My chamber temps top out around 70°C during the print - 60°C reported by the cheap-ass temp sensor, but 70°C confirmed by me with an IR gun. The camera, of course, gets to this temp, too. I'm wondering if the [certainly cheap, based on vid quality,] camera sensor they used has an upper temp limit of a wee bit lower than that and it is simply cutting out and crashing the driver. I do not have any cam issues when printing PLA with the top off, as the camera never gets above 40°C. Unfortunately, I seem to remember the same thing happening on 1.3.3.5, but I had only done one ASA print at that point and just rebooted when it was done and moved on with my usual PLA/PETG prints with the cover off and chamber unheated. So, are y'all closing up the chamber during print and/or heating it when your cam dies? Have you checked the temp of the cam housing after it dies? |
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I spent the night running multiple prints, even the same ABS print repeatedly with both closed/heated and open chambers. I'm certain that heat is what is killing the camera, at least in my case. As soon as temps in the chamber get above about 60°C, the cam cuts out. Even without the added chamber heater, this can happen on a long enough ABS/ASA print. My next steps are:
Another potential avenue I could use some help with:
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Software or heat the time the camera stops working is between 1--1.5 hrs consistently. Chamber was 34C at the point of failure. IT also appears the mjpg streamer is custom(??). tail /var/log/messages |
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How willing are you to pull the back cover off that camera and snap a pic of the board? 😁 Just want to confirm we are talking about the same module despite different printers. I only need a reasonably clear shot of the back side with the chips. |
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Have never looked. If its not too involved I will take a look after the print is finished. |
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If it's similar to the K1C, the camera case is being held together by a couple of basic, albeit small, (+) screws and easily comes apart. Just be careful because the back cover is probably also holding the camera board assembly in the case; no other notches or glue keeping it in there. I dropped my board the first time taking it apart because I had it tilted and it just comes loose from the front half when you take the cover off. 🤣 |
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The images of the CAM |
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Damn, I'm gonna have to leave you guys to your own issue. Totally different chip, which means we are likely not having the same problem, whether it is hardware or software/drivers to blame....unless it turns out to be something in software like the mpegstreamer (which means I'm chasing a dead end, anyway). 🤷🏻♂️ |
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My issue actually has resolved itself🤷 I have only been printing ASA with the machine closed up. |
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Total side topic: Which brand of ASA are you using? I am finding Polymaker's ASA to be a nightmare to tune settings for. |
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iSANGHU and ELEGOO from Amazon at the moment. iSANGHU prints came out great with no problems at all, I tried their red. The Elegoo is black and I had to do a little tuning to get everything good. I also randomly tried a gold ABS from MG Chemicals. I was surprised at how great it was. My only complaint with MG Chemicals is they filled the roll so much that my first couple of prints failed because the filament kept jumping off the roll and getting tangled. |
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Ah, this is why I prefer spool roller stands over center spindle holders. Go print the Prusa Mini+ spool holder from here (plus obtain the prescribed bearings) and spool jump tangles will become a thing of the past: https://www.printables.com/model/57214-mini-printable-parts/files If you also print with +KG spools (2kg wide, etc), print a pair of larger adjustable rails from here: https://www.printables.com/model/89695-prusa-spool-holder-extensions |
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My camera died and creality replaced it. these are photos of dead camera from my K1 Max.
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This is the same cam board that comes with the k1c. I'm still testing from the "thermal crash" angle. Should have some more info this weekend. I wonder if your new camera is the same or the other one pictured above. Maybe Creality is realizing a mistake was made in choosing the T31ZL? 🤷🏻♂️ |
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I wired it to USB cable, 5V drops to 4.6V, no 3V3 and it gets very hot. is not recognised as USB device on PC. |
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more info here with data sheets of parts used. |
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Could you copy-and-paste this over? I can't access that channel. |
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Yeah I'd be interested in that too :) |
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After some digging I found this file and command on the K1 Max:
This reloads the video services without a reboot. |
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I have the same problem. I have only been printing ABS with the chamber closed and the camera dies probably less than 15 min into the print. I tried your reload in an ssh during a print, did not do anything. It looks like the command was accepted, but no change in FLUIDD. |
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It unfortunately does not work in all failure modes. Check your dmesg logs. Do you get repeat connection disconnection messages for usb devices? If so then you probably have the same issue I had. You can also run lsusb command and look at the device numbers. If you have a number bigger than 4 you probably have a hardware problem. |
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Hi guys this problem has been driving me crazy for 4 months. I bought two M1 Max at the beginning of the year. After a couple of months of use on one of the two this problem starts. First of all I replaced the camera, but the problem was not there. A few weeks ago Creality released this FAQ: https://wiki.creality.com/en/k1-flagship-series/k1-max/troubleshooting/unable-to-detect-camera Trying to disconnect the lidar the camera problem went away but I had no lidar calibration.Thinking it was the problem I tried to replace it with the "working" one from the other printer. The problem is to buy again. I only have two alternatives, change the board at the head of the print head or wait for a firmware update. I bought this one here which is often on sale for around $20: It arrived a few days ago and the problem seems to have finally disappeared. I made a few prints, longer than the time it used to take to disconnect. Everything seems to be working! I hope this was helpful and that you can solve the problem. Creality support with me unfortunately was non-existent! Happy printing❤️ |
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Unfortunately I have the OG k1 so no lidar to disconnect. Glad it's working for you though. |
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I just installed a chamber heater in my K1 Max and the camera is now locking up, so it has the same issue as K1C, if anyone stumbles across this thread, this is the fix: https://www.printables.com/model/904768-nexgen3d-creality-k1c-camera-fix |
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If the camera suddenly turns off and never re connects even after restarting the printer does that mean its confirmed broken? |
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There is a small chance that it could be a cable connection issue but it is very likely that the camera board failed. The electronics are exposed to the heat cycles inside the chamber. |
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Correct, the heat produced in this machine will cause the camera to lockup all the time, and I could definately see it dying from this abuse, mine after all this time with a chamber heater going and printing high temp materials, even with blankets and towels thrown over it at times, the camera still works perfectly using my fan cooling mod, I have gotten it hot enought to lockup the toolhead control board and even over heat the steppers, but not the camera :) |
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Everything worked well until this last update. Now the camera starts when the machine is turned on. While printing the camera stops working and says unable to load Webcam. I have to reboot the printer to get it to work again.
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