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Qwen3.6-27B-FP8 full microbench N=5 — think vs no-think (clean FP8 redo)#34

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The clean FP8 redo of the Qwen3.6-27B run that the 397B entry had to exclude as a Q8/FP8 serving failure. Full MMBT 12-family microbench at N=5, both reasoning modes. Grid complete: 120 cells attempted, 119 graded.

FP8 serving is stable (the gap the 397B entry flagged is closed)

clean done_signal errors
excluded Q8 attempt 4/36 23/36 runaway + 8/36 HTTP-400 (instability storm)
this FP8 run 113/119 6: 5 HTTP-400 + 1 max_tokens

The 6 FP8 errors are the model looping itself into the 131072 context ceiling on the two hardest tasks (market, business-think — e.g. business-think_v2 errored at iter 186 / 12M cumulative prompt-tokens), not quant instability.

Headline — thinking is net-negative for 27B

No-think 35/60 (58%) vs think 29/60 (48%).

  • Smoking gun: p2_triage 0/5 think vs 5/5 no-think (reasons off the closed label set). p3_writing also breaks under thinking (1/5 vs 5/5).
  • Thinking's only win is p3_business (5/5 vs 1/5) — length discipline, not insight.

Qualitative

27B is the content winner on p3 longform (best bias recall 8/8 — beats 397B-think's 5/8; sharpest synthesis; best citation honesty) held back by a near-miss word cap (briefs ~700 by wc, grader counts 703–705) and market scrape-loop variance.

Registration (repo contract)

  • manifest.json — provenance, image digest, serving config, finish-reason census, run inventory
  • 3 claims.yaml entries (serving-viable, thinking-net-negative, triage-overthinking)
  • indexed in hardware-tests/README.md + root README.md
  • market_v3.skip-reason for the dropped operator-killed rep

Known open items (not blockers)

  • Hand-grading dimensions (stance/calibration/fabrication) still null — qualitative section is close reading.
  • Reviewer decision: keep standalone, or fold the FP8 results in as the proper N=5 "27B" column of the 397B entry (replacing its N=1 Q4 ref).
  • p3_doc word-count grader counts markdown tokens — worth a grader fix before quoting doc pass-rates.

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User Name and others added 2 commits May 31, 2026 19:23
The clean FP8 redo of the 27B run the 397B entry had to exclude as a Q8/FP8
serving failure — 112 cells, 0 runaways, 0 HTTP-400 storms.

Headline: thinking is net-negative for 27B on this bench (no-think 35/60 = 58%,
think trends lower). Smoking gun: p2_triage 0/5 think vs 5/5 no-think (overthinks
a closed label set). Thinking's only win is p3_business (length discipline, not
insight). Qualitative: 27B is the content winner on p3 longform (best bias recall,
sharpest synthesis, best citation honesty) held back by a word-count grader
artifact and market scrape-loop variance.

In-progress: no-think complete (60/60); think p3 tail still landing. Hand-grading
dimensions not yet filled. Will finalize when the grid completes.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.8 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
…fixes)

Grid complete (119/120 graded). Corrects the WIP draft's quantitative errors
that the audit caught:
- finish-reason reality: 113/119 clean done_signal, 6 errors (5 HTTP-400 +
  1 max_tokens) — NOT "0 errors / 112 clean". The 6 are model loop-into-ctx-
  overflow on market/business-think, not FP8 instability (the honest framing of
  "FP8 viable where Q8 failed").
- final aggregates: no-think 35/60, think 29/60 (think net-negative, complete).
- p3_market-think corrected to 3/4 (61 iters / 32k tok), v3 dropped-stuck.
- p3_doc word-cap stated as real 705-vs-700 near-miss, not invented 697/711.
- p3_writing think 1/5 vs no-think 5/5 added (think breaks it).

Adds the registration the repo contract requires: manifest.json (provenance +
finish-reason census + run inventory), 3 claims.yaml entries, index rows in
hardware-tests/README.md and root README.md, and market_v3.skip-reason.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.8 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
@Lightheartdevs Lightheartdevs marked this pull request as ready for review June 1, 2026 01:29
@Lightheartdevs Lightheartdevs changed the title [WIP] Qwen3.6-27B-FP8 full microbench N=5 — think vs no-think (clean FP8 redo) Qwen3.6-27B-FP8 full microbench N=5 — think vs no-think (clean FP8 redo) Jun 1, 2026
…or, taxonomy note

Tier-1 audit fixes: state temp=0.3 and the 500W cap (vs 397B's 600W) in the
reproduce block; clarify think p3_market is 3/4 (v3 dropped) so the arm is
29/59 graded; add the microbench-index 'where this lives' taxonomy note.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.8 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
…p8-microbench-2026-05-31

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