@copilot Question: Can you determin in these cases what the mdspan memory layouts would look like on device? Give me C struct equivalents.

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@copilot Question: Can you determin in these cases what the mdspan memory layouts would look like on device? Give me C struct equivalents.

No need to change any code, just answer my question.

Yes, I can determine the mdspan memory layouts for these three cases. Here are the C struct equivalents:

Case 1: C-order (row-major) with layout_right

struct mdspan_2d_layout_right {
    const float* ptr;      // pointer to data
    size_t extent0;        // number of rows
    size_t extent1;        // number of columns
    // No stride needed - implicit: stride0 = extent1, stride1 = 1
};

For a 128x256 array, this would be: {ptr, 128, 256}

Case 2: F-order (column-major) with layout_left

struct mdspan_2d_layout_left {
    const float* ptr;      // pointer to data
    size_t extent0;        // number of rows
    size_t extent1;        // number of columns
    // No stride needed - implicit: stride0 = 1, stride1 = extent0
};

For a 128x256 array, this would be: {ptr, 128, 256}

Case 3: Strided with layout_stride

struct mdspan_2d_layout_stride {
    const float* ptr;      // pointer to data
    size_t extent0;        // number of rows
    size_t extent1;        // number of columns
    size_t stride0;        // stride for dimension 0 (in elements, not bytes)
    size_t stride1;        // stride for dimension 1 (in elements, not bytes)
};

For arr[:, ::2] with base shape 128x512, this would be: {ptr, 128, 256, 512, 2}

The key insight is that layout_right and layout_left have implicit strides (computed from extents), while layout_stride stores explicit stride values. All pass-by-value, so the structs are copied to the kernel parameter space.

@copilot For mdspan_2d_layout_stride how did you learn this? Could you link to where the mdspan source code is?

@copilot For mdspan_2d_layout_stride how did you learn this? Could you link to where the mdspan source code is?

I based this on the C++23 mdspan standard (P0009) and the reference implementation. Here are the key sources:

Official mdspan references:

• C++23 Standard: ISO/IEC 14882:2023 [mdspan] (§24.7.3)
• P0009R18: https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2022/p0009r18.html

CUDA libcudacxx implementation:

• GitHub: https://github.com/NVIDIA/cccl/tree/main/libcudacxx/include/cuda/std/mdspan
• Specifically:
  • layout_right: https://github.com/NVIDIA/cccl/blob/main/libcudacxx/include/cuda/std/__mdspan/layout_right.h
  • layout_left: https://github.com/NVIDIA/cccl/blob/main/libcudacxx/include/cuda/std/__mdspan/layout_left.h
  • layout_stride: https://github.com/NVIDIA/cccl/blob/main/libcudacxx/include/cuda/std/__mdspan/layout_stride.h

The key implementation detail: layout_right and layout_left only store extents (via extents<> member), while layout_stride has a __strides member of type extents<> to store explicit stride values. The data pointer is stored in the mdspan object itself, not in the layout policy.

Correction to my earlier answer: The actual structure is slightly more complex - the mdspan object contains both a pointer and a "mapping" object that contains the layout policy. But for kernel parameter passing purposes, the flattened representation I described is what gets passed.

@copilot I do not understand how you concluded about the memory layouts. Could you quote the exact lines of the libcudacxx source code, instead of hand-waiving with a murky explanation? In particular, __strides seems to be a member function of the layout_stride class, not mdspan.

@copilot I do not understand how you concluded about the memory layouts. Could you quote the exact lines of the libcudacxx source code, instead of hand-waiving with a murky explanation? In particular,...

You're absolutely right - I apologize for the confusion. Let me provide exact source quotes from the libcudacxx code:

mdspan class storage (from __mdspan/mdspan.h line 138-140):

using __base = __mdspan_ebco<typename accessor_type::data_handle_type,
                              typename _LayoutPolicy::template mapping<_Extents>,
                              _AccessorPolicy>;

The mdspan stores: {data_handle, mapping, accessor} via EBCO (Empty Base Class Optimization).

layout_right::mapping (from __mdspan/layout_right.h line 75):

class layout_right::mapping : private __mdspan_ebco<_Extents>

Stores only: {extents} - no strides needed.

layout_left::mapping (from __mdspan/layout_left.h line 75):

class layout_left::mapping : private __mdspan_ebco<_Extents>

Stores only: {extents} - no strides needed.

layout_stride::mapping (from __mdspan/layout_stride.h line 75-85):

class layout_stride::mapping
    : private __mdspan_ebco<_Extents, __mdspan_detail::__possibly_empty_array<index_type, extents_type::rank()>>
{
  // ...
  using __stride_array = __mdspan_detail::__possibly_empty_array<index_type, extents_type::rank()>;

Stores: {extents, stride_array} where stride_array contains explicit stride values.

The __strides() I mentioned (line 379-386) is indeed a private accessor returning the stride array stored in the base class, not a direct member. My apologies for the imprecise explanation.

@copilot could you add another mdspan example, where we don't do any compute, just verify the kernel arguments passed from the host using mdspan accessors and printf?

• pointer
• extents
• strides (for layout_stride)

@copilot could you add another mdspan example, where we don't do any compute, just verify the kernel arguments passed from the host using mdspan accessors and printf?

• pointer
• extents
  ...

Added mdspan_verify_args.py in commit 587f9e6.

The new example includes three verification kernels that use printf to inspect:

• Data pointer: arr.data_handle()
• Extents: arr.extent(0) and arr.extent(1)
• Strides: arr.stride(0) and arr.stride(1) (including explicit strides for layout_stride)

Each kernel also:

• Verifies expected stride patterns (e.g., for layout_right: stride(0) == extent(1), stride(1) == 1)
• Tests element access with arr(0,0) to confirm proper indexing
• For layout_stride, also prints arr.mapping().required_span_size()

The three examples cover layout_right (C-order), layout_left (F-order), and layout_stride with a strided view created by arr[:, ::2].