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Agenda

Defining CDS Use Cases (moved from April 21)

Define a list of detailed curb use cases where CDS can be applied, for various curb goals from cities.

Welcome (5 mins)
Announcements (5 mins)
Curb Goals and CDS Use Cases (20 mins)
- What worked in MDS
More Use Cases from You (20 mins)

Meeting Resources:

CDS use cases at 2022 launch
MDS Use Case Database
MDS use case blog post

This work will help us get to a list of example CDS policy templates like in MDS, and solve for this CDS issue about best practices for modeling common use cases in CDS.

Minutes

57 Attendees
OMF Slides
Recording - Password f1J&TN9W

Notes

The WG participants generated the goals and use cases below during the meeting.

Goals - MentiMeter results

Chat

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00:07:23 Graham Rossmore (LADOT): Graham Rossmore, City of Los Angeles Bureau of Parking Management (LADOT) - good morning everyone
00:07:43 Dawn Miller - Walker Consultants: Hi all! This is Dawn Miller from NYC. Longtime curb enthusiast, just joined Walker Consultants this month
00:07:58 Eliot Mueting - Populus: Reacted to "Hi all! This is Daw..." with 👋
00:08:01 Cathy Zhao: From Aglaiasense.com nice meeting everyone here
00:08:34 Rachel Barra (City of Tacoma): Rachel Batta, City of Tacoma - Parking Services
00:09:05 Aylene McCallum - OMF: Welcome everyone! I am Aylene McCallum - Director of Partnerships & Development at the OMF - and I'm based in Denver, Colorado
00:09:13 David Von Stroh, Parametrix: David Von Stroh, Parametrix - based in Seattle. Good morning OMF fam!
00:09:30 Lisa Hood-City of San Jose: Lisa Hood, City of San Jose - Local Policy and Planning. Mornin!
00:09:32 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): Check out all the CDS resources on the Curb Collaborative Hub here - https://www.openmobilityfoundation.org/smart-curb-collaborative/
00:09:37 Leo Burnett (OMF): Hi everyone. I manage the OMF’s Smart Curb Collaborative and am based in Portland, Maine.
00:10:12 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): Replying to "Check out all the CD..."
Browse through the current members, past Collab projects, and find resource such as the CDS Getting Started Guide!
00:10:31 Jyoti Goyal: Hi All, Jyoti Goyal , leading Product at Appyway, based in London, UK
00:11:18 Melissa McMahon and Marietta Gelfort, Arlington County VA: Melissa and Marietta here from Arlington County, VA curb space team
00:12:34 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Reacted to "Hi All, Jyoti Goyal , leading Product at Appyway, based in London, UK" with 👋🏻
00:12:37 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Reacted to "Melissa and Marietta here from Arlington County, VA curb space team" with 👋🏻
00:13:06 Aylene McCallum - OMF: The in-person OMF Academy workshop at NACTO is open to the entire community: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/1986342870998?aff=oddtdtcreator
00:13:32 Aylene McCallum - OMF: OMF membership is not required to attend. It will be really fun - social, educational and interactive.
00:13:47 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): Hi all - if you haven’t already please change your name to add your city, org or company after your name. Click the 3 dots next to your name and select rename. This is something we ask all participants to do to be on these calls. It helps everyone know who is on the call. Please make the change now! Thanks all!
00:14:26 Aylene McCallum - OMF: And then the next day we will be hosting a social for our members, sponsored by Waymo. If your agency or organization is not a member yet, and you want to attend, please reach out to me: aylene@openmobilityfoundation.org.
00:14:40 Matthew Spaniol: Matthew Spaniol, Data Analyst - Washington, DC DOT
00:14:49 Eliot Mueting - Populus: Reacted to "Matthew Spaniol, Dat..." with 👋
00:17:50 Lisa Hood-City of San Jose: Reacted to "And then the next day we will be hosting a social for our members, sponsored by Waymo. If your agency or organization is not a member yet, and you want to attend, please reach out to me: aylene@openmobilityfoundation.org." with 👀
00:21:46 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Link to Umojo issue post here: https://github.com/openmobilityfoundation/curb-data-specification/issues/205
00:21:56 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Reacted to "Matthew Spaniol, Data Analyst - Washington, DC DOT" with 👋🏻
00:22:35 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: I swear I'll review this ^ issue soon!
00:25:44 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Love the sample code. This will eventually be really useful for CDS development in Seattle (and I'm sure other cities too)
00:26:34 Sogand Karbalaieali: Reacted to "Link to Umojo issu..." with 👍
00:27:09 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: https://www.menti.com/alzkr55m4ymk
00:29:36 Eliot Mueting - Populus: Management + Decision making + Public space management + understanding use seem to be all related/the same with just different words
00:29:53 Leo Burnett (OMF): Reacted to "Management + Decisio..." with 💯
00:36:39 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: https://www.menti.com/alfwq1w6o8v1
00:48:53 Melissa McMahon and Marietta Gelfort, Arlington County VA: The futuristic management of the curb as wholy shared and responsive to the user type only will be hindered by the fast that we only really have the plate number to ID the "user". today, plates that are sometimes used as private SOVs can sometimes also be ridehail, amazon delivery etc
00:49:13 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Reacted to "The futuristic management of the curb as wholy shared and responsive to the user type only will be hindered by the fast that we only really have the plate number to ID the "user". today, plates that are sometimes used as private SOVs can sometimes also be ridehail, amazon delivery etc" with 👍🏻
00:50:49 Eliot Mueting - Populus: Size + Weight pricing
00:51:42 Lisa Hood-City of San Jose: To Melissa's point, it seems that curb reservations would need to go hand in hand with automated enforcement.
00:51:55 Eliot Mueting - Populus: Reacted to "To Melissa's point, ..." with 👍
00:53:20 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Reacted to "To Melissa's point, it seems that curb reservations would need to go hand in hand with automated enforcement." with 👍
00:53:37 Melissa McMahon and Marietta Gelfort, Arlington County VA: we have to decide what users are a higher priority than others... so e.g., an internal combustion engine SOV may be lowest on the priority and therefore highest price... not the biggest or heaviest vehicle...
00:54:05 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Need to jump to another meeting. Good seeing everyone today.
00:54:08 Melissa McMahon and Marietta Gelfort, Arlington County VA: Reacted to "To Melissa's point, ..." with 👍
00:57:10 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): https://www.eventbrite.com/e/1986342870998?aff=oddtdtcreator
00:57:51 Aylene McCallum - OMF: Everyone is welcome - OMF membership is not required
00:58:00 Aylene McCallum - OMF: Public and private sectors are welcome
00:58:09 Graham Rossmore (LADOT): thanks everyone!

Transcript

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1 00:00:03.530 --> 00:00:15.170 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Hello, everyone. Welcome to the OMF's Curb Working Group meeting. This is a public meeting. We're having it a week later than we typically do. Thanks for adjusting to our schedules for that.

2 00:00:15.360 --> 00:00:30.469 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Today, we'll be talking about defining CDS use cases. I'm Michael Schnurle, I'm the Director of Open Source Operations for… at the LMF, and I steward the data standards and run these working groups along with our steering committee.

3 00:00:31.890 --> 00:00:40.760 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: A little housekeeping, please go ahead and add your organization name, whether you're a city, a company, or some other agency.

4 00:00:40.860 --> 00:00:48.499 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: After your name in the participant list, so we know who's speaking, and that helps with our note-taking as well.

5 00:00:49.010 --> 00:01:01.519 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: mute yourself for now, but right now you can introduce yourself in the chat. You can say who you are, who you work for, what you do, why you're here, things like that. We'd love to hear from you and share.

6 00:01:02.530 --> 00:01:13.030 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: If you do want to speak during the meeting, use the raise hand feature, or use the chat, which we'll check periodically. There's also some… gonna be some time for open discussion.

7 00:01:14.130 --> 00:01:18.629 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And then this meeting is being recorded and will be published with notes.

8 00:01:21.790 --> 00:01:23.029 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So we'll have…

9 00:01:23.310 --> 00:01:41.049 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: A little bit of welcome and announcements, and then get into some background and what we have so far for curb goals and CDS use cases, and then we'll have a bit of an interactive discussion session to try to collect some more goals and use cases from you.

10 00:01:41.050 --> 00:01:50.460 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: That'll be through, Mentimeter, which is where you can go online and fill out, use cases that you're familiar with around the curb or the public space.

11 00:01:50.490 --> 00:01:53.960 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And, we'll collectively talk about those.

12 00:01:58.080 --> 00:02:16.909 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So this working group is run by myself and the OMF staff, but also the working group steering committee. So there's OMF members that volunteer their time from the public and private sector to set the agendas for these meetings and help organize them, and they also approve releases.

13 00:02:17.100 --> 00:02:27.810 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: You can see a list of them here on the right. So thanks to all of our steering committee members. We appreciate, setting these agendas and participating in the meetings.

14 00:02:27.950 --> 00:02:31.969 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: CDS 1.1 is released, and they helped approve that release.

15 00:02:32.740 --> 00:02:48.269 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So, quick CDSO review, it has three parts where you can code your curb with the Curbs API to set the location and policies and rules around your curb, curb zones, the surrounding areas, the objects in those areas.

16 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:55.380 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: You can then track activity with the Events API, and then understand that activity with our metrics.

17 00:02:56.460 --> 00:03:09.330 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: It's been built in the open, lots of companies, public agencies, curb users, etc. have worked together to build it. It's all free and open source, and everything is online.

18 00:03:10.480 --> 00:03:22.039 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: We have a lot of different people using CDS. If you are using CDS and you're not listed here in some way, reach out to us, either reply to an email for this meeting, or contact us through our website.

19 00:03:22.440 --> 00:03:24.020 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And we'll get you listed.

20 00:03:25.230 --> 00:03:28.739 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: There's a lot of resources for CDS 1.1,

21 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:47.230 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: everything from general overviews on our website, to an introduction slide deck, one-pager, how you can write CDS into your permits, RFPs, and tenders, a getting started guide, a privacy guide, and then for the launch of CDS, we have a recording meeting

22 00:03:47.260 --> 00:03:51.879 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And slides, and a blog post that you can catch up on.

23 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:56.319 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: These slides will also be shared with the notes after the meeting.

24 00:03:57.730 --> 00:04:08.070 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And we also have another data standard, MDS. They work together to manage the entire public space. So MDS is more about the vehicle.

25 00:04:08.190 --> 00:04:24.749 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: vehicles on the road, on the sidewalks, in the curbs, and their locations, their status, incidents that happen around them, and trips they take. And CDS is more about defining physical infrastructure, and then tracking activity near that infrastructure.

26 00:04:24.980 --> 00:04:28.749 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: They could be used independently, cooperatively,

27 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:34.930 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And they both have an overlap where they define digital policy, data sharing, and metrics.

28 00:04:37.280 --> 00:04:38.819 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright, some announcements.

29 00:04:39.070 --> 00:04:48.729 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: To start us off with announcements, I'll hand it over to Aileen just to talk briefly about our Premier members and our associate members. Aileen?

30 00:04:48.730 --> 00:04:49.380 Aylene McCallum - OMF: Yeah.

31 00:04:49.500 --> 00:05:07.449 Aylene McCallum - OMF: So, this is kind of a new thing. I had to split up our one… one slide membership list into two slides, because we have so many members now. So, definitely want to give a shout out first to our Premier members, Blue Systems, Curb IQ, NREX, Passport, Transito, and Nemojo.

32 00:05:07.450 --> 00:05:13.860 Aylene McCallum - OMF: And then on this next slide, if you want to advance the slide,

33 00:05:13.970 --> 00:05:25.000 Aylene McCallum - OMF: some… our whole long list of associate members. I want to give special shout-outs to recent new members, Novell and Populous, as well as Oops, who joined earlier in the year.

34 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:43.320 Aylene McCallum - OMF: But then, welcome, Vero Mobility, just joined, and was the main reason I needed to split this up into two slides. And I have even more new members coming. So, next month, we'll have at least one, maybe two new members.

35 00:05:43.320 --> 00:05:51.110 Aylene McCallum - OMF: additional new members to announce. So, thank you so much for all of the commercial companies out there who are investing in the OMF.

36 00:05:51.110 --> 00:06:07.070 Aylene McCallum - OMF: We appreciate your support. It allows us to host these working group meetings, the steering committee meetings, and do all the work we do to make sure that these specs are relevant to your work around the world.

37 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:21.430 Aylene McCallum - OMF: And… and continue the innovation process, and make sure that the specs continue to remain relevant, as well as to support our OMF Academy programming. So, thank you so much, we appreciate it.

38 00:06:23.020 --> 00:06:25.810 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Thank you, Aileen. Thanks to all of our members.

39 00:06:26.910 --> 00:06:41.429 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: We also have an OMF calendar if you'd like to track what we're doing, whether it's a meeting like this, or other webinars we have, or conferences we will be at. I'm going to click our visual calendar link here, just to see.

40 00:06:41.430 --> 00:06:50.490 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So, today we had our CDS 101 OMF Academy session, and then the Curb Working Group meeting, which you're in right now.

41 00:06:50.770 --> 00:06:55.040 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Next month, we will be at NACTO, the 12th.

42 00:06:55.440 --> 00:06:56.880 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Through the 15th.

43 00:06:57.270 --> 00:07:08.039 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So if you're at NACTO in the United States, in Minneapolis, please look us up and introduce yourselves, and we'll be running some sessions there at OMAC Academy workshop.

44 00:07:08.050 --> 00:07:17.320 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: We'll have a board meeting for our city board, and also some other meetings. So, the calendar's a great way to see where we are and what we'll be doing.

45 00:07:21.520 --> 00:07:25.220 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright, so now to set the stage for today's meeting.

46 00:07:25.530 --> 00:07:40.889 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Leo Burnett, who's a staff member at the OMF, they'll be sharing what has been going on with the CURB Collaboratives, because they have led us to the content of our meeting today. So, Leo, I'll run the slides.

47 00:07:42.860 --> 00:07:43.400 Leo Burnett (OMF): Great.

48 00:07:43.950 --> 00:07:56.349 Leo Burnett (OMF): Nice to see everybody. So, Michael used the plural curb collaboratives, that's because we have two of them now, two classes. The first class of the Smart Curb Collaborative

49 00:07:56.350 --> 00:08:06.069 Leo Burnett (OMF): was funded by the USDOT Smart Grant Program, and we had 10, 9 cities and 1 county join us for that.

50 00:08:06.070 --> 00:08:11.009 Leo Burnett (OMF): This class kind of led the development of CDS 1.1,

51 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:19.339 Leo Burnett (OMF): Primarily through, a lot of their vendors, some of them are on the call today, like, really identifying what needed to be changed in the spec.

52 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:36.839 Leo Burnett (OMF): For the next class of the collaborative, we have more cities, always at least have one county as well, and we're a little more global. The contrast on the map isn't great, but you can kind of see the outlines. We have, books from Bergen, from Dublin, from Montreal.

53 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:48.670 Leo Burnett (OMF): And, all over America, too. So, this next program is really exciting. It's cool to have more cities, more diversity from where everyone's coming from.

54 00:08:48.690 --> 00:08:58.920 Leo Burnett (OMF): And we are starting to kind of pair some of our collaborative programming with what's happening here in the CURB working group a little more directly.

55 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:07.600 Leo Burnett (OMF): One of the things that we identified was a resource that would be very helpful, for implementing CDS would be to

56 00:09:07.780 --> 00:09:12.550 Leo Burnett (OMF): Clearly define use cases, and start to identify

57 00:09:12.750 --> 00:09:22.389 Leo Burnett (OMF): can CDS do this? Can the policy do this? How do we want to do that? So this is kind of a little, sneak peek at one of the exercises we did with the collaborative to kind of

58 00:09:22.450 --> 00:09:36.349 Leo Burnett (OMF): identify, what are the larger policy goals of your city, how does this connect to your curb? And then how do we want to use it, in a digital curb context? So.

59 00:09:36.670 --> 00:09:53.789 Leo Burnett (OMF): we took all of this, largely, I took a lot of these, sticky notes, kind of grouped them, identified what are some of these shared themes coming up, what are some of the ways that, the use cases that we've identified based on these goals.

60 00:09:53.830 --> 00:09:58.810 Leo Burnett (OMF): So, what we came up with was kind of a condensed version of

61 00:09:58.920 --> 00:10:06.189 Leo Burnett (OMF): a lot of different, different and a lot of similar, use cases identified by the cities, so…

62 00:10:06.390 --> 00:10:13.970 Leo Burnett (OMF): the policy goals are gonna look fairly familiar, I would assume. Just, of course, safer streets are something that

63 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:27.390 Leo Burnett (OMF): almost all of the cities, in some fashion, identify it as something that's really important and a policy goal for their city. And we have a lot of other ones here, like, especially just using limited space better.

64 00:10:27.390 --> 00:10:36.660 Leo Burnett (OMF): Managing the curb better, and preparing for AVs, and of course, understanding how the curb's actually being used.

65 00:10:36.880 --> 00:10:48.050 Leo Burnett (OMF): So then we identified some, use cases from that exercise, and this is kind of the starting point that we have for this discussion today.

66 00:10:48.260 --> 00:10:55.179 Leo Burnett (OMF): So if we're looking at a goal like Safer Streets, some of the use cases that were also identified was,

67 00:10:55.540 --> 00:11:03.620 Leo Burnett (OMF): Wanting to protect bike lanes, pedestrian access, by potentially doing things like geofencing,

68 00:11:04.160 --> 00:11:08.839 Leo Burnett (OMF): A lot around communicating curb information to the public.

69 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:13.649 Leo Burnett (OMF): Things like closing roads for storms or weather.

70 00:11:13.810 --> 00:11:22.319 Leo Burnett (OMF): Being able to announce or share, like, changes in curb inventory for commercial and passenger loading.

71 00:11:22.770 --> 00:11:28.379 Leo Burnett (OMF): So, these use cases are all kind of tied to overall policy goals, and

72 00:11:28.530 --> 00:11:39.389 Leo Burnett (OMF): What we'll discuss a little more in this space today is, can CDES be used for some of these, and prioritizing,

73 00:11:39.540 --> 00:11:44.259 Leo Burnett (OMF): some of these use cases based on the initial list developed by the Curb Collaborative.

74 00:11:45.640 --> 00:11:48.570 Leo Burnett (OMF): Is that helpful if I add any other detail, Michael?

75 00:11:49.830 --> 00:11:54.180 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I think that's a… that's a great background and starting point, and really…

76 00:11:54.340 --> 00:12:01.499 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Showing how the current collaborative, you know, basically generated what you're seeing here.

77 00:12:01.890 --> 00:12:07.340 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And, you know, and Leo is… Leo, when you were showing these, prior

78 00:12:07.850 --> 00:12:17.229 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: sticky notes, the actual… this is just a small snapshot, there was a lot more activity, a lot more information that they worked on, both in a virtual meeting and then

79 00:12:17.390 --> 00:12:19.650 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Offline later as well, so…

80 00:12:19.740 --> 00:12:22.890 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Thanks for that background, Leo. So…

81 00:12:22.900 --> 00:12:28.530 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: what we're, you know, what we want to do today, and I'll go into it in some more detail.

82 00:12:28.530 --> 00:12:44.569 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: with some other slides, but, you know, these are high-level goals that the Curb Collaborative came up with, but we'd also like to understand your goals, maybe goals that are not on this list, whether… and these goals can be around the curb

83 00:12:44.700 --> 00:12:58.390 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Space, as you might, you know, typically think of it, like a loading zone or something like that, but also the more general, larger public space, so the areas around the curb, into the roadways.

84 00:12:58.610 --> 00:13:10.960 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: You know, crosswalks, sidewalks, bike lanes, maybe even intersections, and then how all those things fit together in this public realm and a transportation sense.

85 00:13:11.050 --> 00:13:13.770 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And then, we'll also…

86 00:13:13.860 --> 00:13:26.190 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: We'd also like your feedback and trying to, try to get to more use cases under some of these larger goals around curb and public space.

87 00:13:26.260 --> 00:13:35.020 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So, what we're… this is sort of a step-by-step of a little bit why we're doing this, and the progress that we want to make, so…

88 00:13:35.370 --> 00:13:48.589 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: for each of these use cases that we do capture, so you've got the goals, and then you've got the use cases under the goals, we will determine, the staff and the CURB Collaborative will determine if this is something that CDS can support.

89 00:13:48.730 --> 00:14:05.089 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: pretty much all the things you saw on the prior slide, CDS can support, and or in combination with MDS, but there might be some that is out of scope, or maybe we need to modify CDS or something like that in the future if there's a need.

90 00:14:05.090 --> 00:14:19.950 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So, we will determine which of these use cases are sort of in the realm of CDS. And then, for the ones that CDS can support, we'd like to rank them based on collective common need, and that's something we'll probably do at a

91 00:14:19.950 --> 00:14:25.269 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: future working group meetings. So what we'll do is we'll take the information from this meeting and from the collaborative.

92 00:14:25.410 --> 00:14:27.580 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And come up with a list of…

93 00:14:27.900 --> 00:14:39.530 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: use cases that CDS can support, and maybe we'll have an interactive, or a voting thing, or maybe a discussion to say, okay, yeah, these… these are the most important things.

94 00:14:39.760 --> 00:14:49.410 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And the reason we might want to limit this, maybe we come up with, you know, dozens of possible use cases, but for the top 15 or so to start.

95 00:14:49.670 --> 00:14:51.180 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: We want to create

96 00:14:51.490 --> 00:15:05.910 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: a best practice example policy template, something you can use that says, okay, if I want to do this really common use case around public space and curb, here's how, specifically.

97 00:15:05.910 --> 00:15:16.460 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: you can define and or capture this information using CDS. And so, we want to be really… get to that point of being specific

98 00:15:16.460 --> 00:15:28.500 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: for how to define certain use cases, specific use cases in CDS. And again, that… that… all of this will be a topic for a future meeting as well. And…

99 00:15:28.500 --> 00:15:44.609 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: If you'd like to, in the meantime, think about this more, in more detail, about these examples of CDS use, you can learn why this is important and chime in on this issue that was opened by… was opened by Umojo, one of our members.

100 00:15:44.640 --> 00:15:58.239 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: But it sort of describes this… these different scenarios of how you could possibly define things in CDS. So, CDS is flexible, just like MDS, and you can do things in different ways.

101 00:15:58.620 --> 00:16:03.960 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And there are different possible ways to think about how to define things in CDS, and so…

102 00:16:04.150 --> 00:16:07.310 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: What we want to do is get to a point where we can

103 00:16:07.470 --> 00:16:17.260 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: make a recommendation for a best practice way to define common use cases in CDS. And that way.

104 00:16:17.520 --> 00:16:26.560 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: The spec is flexible, and it provides a certain amount of standardization. But even within that, we'd like to define

105 00:16:26.860 --> 00:16:32.370 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: More information and more details about what we think is the best practice for how to

106 00:16:34.990 --> 00:16:52.350 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: define common use cases using CDS. And you might be a little bit confused about that. Brian, thank you for… yeah, please feel free to share links as I talk. Brian from Seattle for sharing that link to that issue where you can chime in and leave comments right there.

107 00:16:52.630 --> 00:17:03.560 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: But the reason we're doing this is in MDS, which is a more mature data specification, we have a… one, we have a list of defined use cases, but we also have

108 00:17:03.730 --> 00:17:17.040 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: examples of the top 15 or so, or more, ways to do these use cases in MDS specifically. So, we've also created, in MDS,

109 00:17:17.300 --> 00:17:28.519 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: a use case database, and so we've documented over 60 use cases and created an interactive use case database. We have a blog post about it, but also

110 00:17:28.810 --> 00:17:30.680 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I'll show it to you now.

111 00:17:30.760 --> 00:17:49.380 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So this is sort of an end product that we can create similarly with CVS. And so these… each of these little boxes is a use case for MDS. It does include curb management, for instance, because MDS can support some curb management. Origin destination demand…

112 00:17:49.550 --> 00:17:57.050 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: public transparency, pollution mitigation, car reduction analysis. So there's a lot of specific things here, and

113 00:17:57.210 --> 00:18:14.940 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Each of these things, for instance, you can sort of click and get some information about what modes is supported in an MBS, and which data fields or parts of the APIs you would need to ask for or use to get to that use case. And so we want to do that same thing here.

114 00:18:14.940 --> 00:18:19.759 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And this list is, filterable, so you could say, like, maybe…

115 00:18:20.320 --> 00:18:24.450 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Where… show me everything where speed is mentioned.

116 00:18:24.590 --> 00:18:34.770 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: In the description, or the title, so then you've got 3 there. You can sort it different ways, you can look for certain APIs, and so…

117 00:18:34.980 --> 00:18:43.550 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Imagine the same sort of setup with CBS, where you have a list of 60 or something.

118 00:18:43.690 --> 00:19:00.499 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: use cases. So that's a goal that we want to get… eventually get to. And then, also, we have these examples. So we have these templates that people can use. So these 16 items here were the top use cases for MDS, as defined by the community.

119 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:16.630 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And it includes things, like I mentioned, maybe like a speed limit for vehicles, or an operating area, or how to do metered parking fees, or real-time response. And so, for each of these, there is a web page.

120 00:19:17.080 --> 00:19:24.610 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: That shows, what they are, some examples, here they are listed. And then for each example.

121 00:19:24.830 --> 00:19:35.529 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: there is a bit of sample code that says, okay, this is how you could define it using MDS. And so it gives everyone a starting point.

122 00:19:35.650 --> 00:19:42.649 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Something to look at when you're getting started, to say what's… to see not only what's possible in a common way.

123 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:46.769 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: But also, the details of how to implement that using the data spec.

124 00:19:47.100 --> 00:19:48.090 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So…

125 00:19:48.630 --> 00:20:00.850 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: This is a long page. There's a lot of examples here. Some of them have more details, and descriptions about what all these can mean, and then examples as well.

126 00:20:01.320 --> 00:20:10.529 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So this is another product we want to create for CDS, and this… what we're doing today is the process to get to that.

127 00:20:13.690 --> 00:20:20.329 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright, so before I get into asking for your feedback, let me think… I might…

128 00:20:20.500 --> 00:20:22.450 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I want to sort of show…

129 00:20:24.220 --> 00:20:28.740 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Just review these again and have you think about goals.

130 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:37.870 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So, what we're gonna do is I have a Mentimeter survey where you can input, either on your desktop or your phone.

131 00:20:38.070 --> 00:20:49.129 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Your goals that you have for your… in your realm, for your company, for your city, for your public agency.

132 00:20:49.310 --> 00:21:03.520 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: goals that you are responsible for or think about in the curve and public space realm. And, you know, you can see these here. Feel free to… you might be duplicating some of these, that's okay.

133 00:21:03.770 --> 00:21:21.750 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: You might be filling in some gaps with some of these, or coming up with new ones. So, these sorts of high-level goals are a very short answer, you know, 2 to 5 words, something like that. And you can see the examples here. Leo went over a lot of these.

134 00:21:22.130 --> 00:21:35.270 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: communicating availability, safer streets, managing the curbs better, understanding usage, improving commercial loading, etc. So, think about these.

135 00:21:37.040 --> 00:21:40.290 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And we have this mintimeter.

136 00:21:40.690 --> 00:21:46.030 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And I'm going to… let's see how this works…

137 00:21:46.820 --> 00:21:49.790 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I might have to share screens in a different way.

138 00:21:53.490 --> 00:21:57.340 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright, so I'm gonna put it… you can scan it with your,

139 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:02.679 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: phone, if you'd like, with the QR code. And if you're on desktop, I put a link in the chat.

140 00:22:03.580 --> 00:22:08.219 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So… Click… you can click that link, and just think about…

141 00:22:08.620 --> 00:22:16.769 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: curb and public space goals that you have, that you're aware of. Something high level, just a few words.

142 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:22.400 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: That you want to… Understand better, manage better.

143 00:22:22.820 --> 00:22:26.059 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Perform better at, be successful at.

144 00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:37.230 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright, we can see some answers coming in.

145 00:22:51.280 --> 00:22:59.429 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And we'll… as these come in, and as, when we get to most people respond, being done responding, I'm gonna zoom in a little.

146 00:23:00.600 --> 00:23:05.969 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: We could talk about these little, and then we will go back after the meeting and synthesize them.

147 00:23:12.810 --> 00:23:16.280 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright, so we can start… Talking about these, so…

148 00:23:18.830 --> 00:23:22.850 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I will… I'll start mentioning ones, patterns that I see.

149 00:23:23.020 --> 00:23:29.969 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And then think about if you'd like to share one of your goals and talk about it as well. So, the…

150 00:23:30.760 --> 00:23:38.860 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: maybe obviously more duplicative ones here, that people have typed exactly the same way are accessibility.

151 00:23:39.590 --> 00:23:42.020 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Pricing the curve correctly.

152 00:23:42.450 --> 00:23:45.849 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Shared usage of the curb and public space.

153 00:23:46.490 --> 00:23:53.469 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Autonomous vehicle zones, managing demand, Turnover, understanding turnover.

154 00:23:55.030 --> 00:24:04.629 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah, these are… these are good, high-level goals. Doing a curb inventory is one that shows up here. Making parking easier.

155 00:24:06.140 --> 00:24:07.800 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Performance pricing.

156 00:24:08.980 --> 00:24:12.969 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Safety related to after you do some daylighting.

157 00:24:17.620 --> 00:24:23.149 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Some more occupancy, some more sorts of metrics that people would like to see.

158 00:24:23.470 --> 00:24:29.749 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Better access for businesses. Microhub planning and microhub locations.

159 00:24:31.830 --> 00:24:34.180 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Dynamic management of the curb.

160 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:41.860 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Reserving curb, that's another good use case.

161 00:24:47.140 --> 00:24:54.490 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Preventing misuse, charging the right price, Streamlining the management of access.

162 00:24:55.950 --> 00:24:58.699 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Understanding user conflicts at the curve.

163 00:25:05.500 --> 00:25:10.380 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: All right, so that's, that's great. So would anyone like to speak up and share?

164 00:25:10.570 --> 00:25:16.920 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: In more detail, than what, you know, these three words or so are showing about your goals.

165 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:35.040 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Maybe I can… you'll think about it and speak up. I'm gonna try to…

166 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:41.770 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: think of one that I… when I look at it, I think, oh, I might need some more clarification to understand.

167 00:25:55.560 --> 00:26:01.809 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So here's one that I think could go a lot of different ways. So somebody wrote, supervised commercial use.

168 00:26:02.670 --> 00:26:06.449 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So when you say supervise, what does that mean to you?

169 00:26:07.360 --> 00:26:11.869 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And it could be the person that wrote that, or anyone who's thinking about something similar.

170 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:41.699 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: I can, I can jump in. I don't… I don't think I wrote that one. I think somebody else might have, but hey, Brian Hamlin, Seattle DOT. We… we're definitely thinking of just, like, how well our commercial vehicle load zones and just commercial access at the curb, is being utilized, and we want to be able to put,

171 00:26:41.890 --> 00:26:44.859 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Demand to that space to better manage it.

172 00:26:46.730 --> 00:26:49.290 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Be able to understand what that demand looks like.

173 00:26:50.330 --> 00:26:58.699 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah, so that's not only… that includes not only defining those places, but also some way to track that usage so you can understand the demand.

174 00:26:58.990 --> 00:26:59.680 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Yeah.

175 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:03.279 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Okay, thanks, Brian.

176 00:27:05.990 --> 00:27:08.610 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: 24-hour curb is mentioned.

177 00:27:10.270 --> 00:27:12.000 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I'm interested to know what…

178 00:27:12.610 --> 00:27:18.009 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: what you think of as a 24-hour curve. Is that best management over 24 hours?

179 00:27:35.340 --> 00:27:42.250 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: There's a few… oh, there's one, on-street EV planning, so electric vehicle charging, I assume, that's interesting.

180 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:50.130 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright.

181 00:27:51.460 --> 00:27:52.380 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Good now.

182 00:27:59.010 --> 00:28:00.689 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright, let's see…

183 00:28:04.750 --> 00:28:06.689 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Okay, I'll end that one.

184 00:28:12.850 --> 00:28:13.690 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Right.

185 00:28:18.070 --> 00:28:33.419 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Okay, so those are some goals. So what we'll do with those is we will… and think about the goals, keep your goals in mind, because now you're going to think about use cases. But we'll take those goals and try to fit them into these existing buckets, or create new buckets of goals.

186 00:28:33.580 --> 00:28:35.469 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: At a high level.

187 00:28:37.270 --> 00:28:44.119 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So now, we're going to turn our attention to use cases, which is really the more detailed view of

188 00:28:44.260 --> 00:28:51.859 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: specific things within the goals that you want to accomplish, sort of, like, almost the…

189 00:28:52.750 --> 00:28:58.159 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: In some ways, they're… Specific policies, or specific…

190 00:28:58.340 --> 00:29:04.610 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Actions within the goals that you want to define and understand in some way.

191 00:29:05.060 --> 00:29:10.140 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And so, it starts to get more specific here, so you can see things like…

192 00:29:11.530 --> 00:29:16.169 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Something specifically for commercial or passenger loading.

193 00:29:16.430 --> 00:29:35.079 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Potentially versus all curb users, or real-time availability, which then has… loops up to the goal for reducing emissions, and maybe you track that by understanding vehicle miles traveled to vehicles before and after the curb usage, or in the public realm.

194 00:29:35.450 --> 00:29:46.090 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Commercial loading, managing the loading zones, or matching demand with availability. That's a more complicated use case.

195 00:29:47.970 --> 00:30:00.660 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Allowing you, as a public agency, or even the curb users themselves, to make better decisions about parking and where they want to use the loading zones, and adjust the pricing accordingly.

196 00:30:01.250 --> 00:30:03.440 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Maybe even do some billing there.

197 00:30:05.470 --> 00:30:10.280 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Combined oversight of curb space. Automated enforcement. Enforcement is another.

198 00:30:10.450 --> 00:30:15.130 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: piece of the picture, I think some people mentioned in the goals.

199 00:30:17.040 --> 00:30:25.339 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: being able to communicate with AV ride hail providers, and helping to determine the best pickup drop-off for patients, that's another

200 00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:27.180 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Group of use cases.

201 00:30:27.210 --> 00:30:45.969 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And then a lot about understanding usage, which we saw in some of the goals listed about metrics and turnover and occupancy rate analysis, and that, as part of that, helping to standardize that decision-making around managing that information for your curbs based on the data.

202 00:30:46.660 --> 00:30:49.770 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright, so think about these specific use cases.

203 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:54.859 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And we will go to…

204 00:30:55.200 --> 00:31:00.310 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: This use case one, and this one's a little bit different. These are open-ended.

205 00:31:01.430 --> 00:31:10.290 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And so… Let me… actually, I'm gonna go back. Y'all can start with the QR code. I'm gonna… copy…

206 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:13.649 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: the link here.

207 00:31:14.090 --> 00:31:17.350 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I think this is right. Let me check my slides.

208 00:31:20.560 --> 00:31:24.140 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Right here… Okay.

209 00:31:25.430 --> 00:31:26.569 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: No, here it is.

210 00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:39.550 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright, here in the chat is… the information for… Short answer, use cases… I'll start this up again.

211 00:31:43.070 --> 00:31:48.010 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And… Alright, tweets. Why doesn't that work?

212 00:31:55.370 --> 00:32:00.870 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: All right, I don't think you all… could you all see this big screen of… Nothing's showing up.

213 00:32:00.980 --> 00:32:01.790 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Brian?

214 00:32:02.360 --> 00:32:05.060 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Yeah, I can… I can see everything.

215 00:32:05.060 --> 00:32:05.520 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: public space.

216 00:32:05.520 --> 00:32:06.660 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: use cases.

217 00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:10.530 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah, and does it say at the bottom right, like, 05 responded?

218 00:32:10.800 --> 00:32:11.410 Brian Hamlin | Seattle DOT: Correct.

219 00:32:11.590 --> 00:32:16.950 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Okay, it went full screen for me, and I'm not sure if it was sharing. It looks like it is. Okay, so here you go.

220 00:32:17.230 --> 00:32:23.609 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So now you all can see it. Scan the QR code and answer on your phone, or click the link.

221 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:38.750 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: in the chat, and then you can answer that way. So just 4 to 8 words of more specific use cases that you can think of, and feel free, just like with the goals, you can answer more than once, if you'd like.

222 00:32:44.800 --> 00:32:49.589 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah, that's a good one. Dynamic Management for Planned and unplanned events.

223 00:33:02.420 --> 00:33:04.239 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: dynamic loading zones.

224 00:33:04.530 --> 00:33:10.530 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I'll try to hold… I'm gonna hold my comments so I don't influence your… You're writing ahead of time.

225 00:34:22.469 --> 00:34:25.879 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright, that's good, we're pushing 20 responses.

226 00:34:44.380 --> 00:34:46.089 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright, let's try to…

227 00:34:52.170 --> 00:35:01.040 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright, I'm gonna… there's this… I've never done this before, there's a little… looks like a potential AI… Sparkle.

228 00:35:02.240 --> 00:35:08.480 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And it says press space to group responses, so I'm gonna try that and see what happens.

229 00:35:10.470 --> 00:35:14.439 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: It's probably just gonna mess everything up, as typically happens.

230 00:35:16.420 --> 00:35:20.240 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: But sometimes I'm surprised. Alright,

231 00:35:21.090 --> 00:35:27.219 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Okay, so it has, Mentimeter has decided to do some grouping here.

232 00:35:27.380 --> 00:35:36.750 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Loading zones, curb reservations, occupancy data, dynamic management, enforcement policies, public space activation.

233 00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:40.269 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And other responses uncategorized so far.

234 00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:45.859 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So these, it sort of grouped all the use cases up into goals automatically.

235 00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:53.510 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So let's click some of these. So for… Loading zones, for instance.

236 00:35:53.750 --> 00:36:01.540 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: under loading zones. There's a lot of specific use cases. So we can start talking through some of these, and…

237 00:36:02.810 --> 00:36:06.290 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Maybe think about the overlap or the gaps here.

238 00:36:06.650 --> 00:36:15.859 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Or the differences, even. So, wanting to know only registered organization of vehicles that can use and access the loading bays, that's…

239 00:36:16.140 --> 00:36:22.020 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: That's a great use case that's specific, for instance, to CDS, something you could do with CDS.

240 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.320 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And so, something like that.

241 00:36:24.590 --> 00:36:34.160 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: would be… could be defined in CDS and tracked in CDS, also potentially using a little bit of MDS,

242 00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:38.220 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And so that would be a, for instance, a great example to create.

243 00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:48.639 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Dynamic loading zones, a reservation system, That's another… Good, robust, complicated example.

244 00:36:49.080 --> 00:36:51.879 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Short-term loading is a…

245 00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:57.279 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Oh, so a good use case that can be turned into an example that's not that complicated.

246 00:36:57.390 --> 00:36:58.770 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: In CDS.

247 00:36:59.090 --> 00:37:04.280 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: But, probably pretty common. Flex zones, pretty interesting.

248 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:05.770 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: and doable.

249 00:37:06.750 --> 00:37:09.039 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I tried to see if there's anything in here that's…

250 00:37:09.520 --> 00:37:13.030 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: really not part of CDS at the moment.

251 00:37:17.100 --> 00:37:25.110 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I don't see anything here, it's all sort of could be done in CDS. Does anyone want to share, something about,

252 00:37:25.520 --> 00:37:28.619 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: These… these loading zone use cases.

253 00:37:30.420 --> 00:37:31.969 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: in more detail.

254 00:37:41.560 --> 00:37:45.840 Jacob Malleau: I didn't… Maybe speak generically to them.

255 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:46.490 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah.

256 00:37:47.370 --> 00:37:54.570 Jacob Malleau: But, at least for us, something we've seen is… If there's a way… with CDS.

257 00:37:55.590 --> 00:37:59.129 Jacob Malleau: well, I know there's a way, but to start having

258 00:38:01.160 --> 00:38:09.389 Jacob Malleau: CVS policies shared with logistics drivers and, like, informed decision-making through data sharing, so…

259 00:38:09.650 --> 00:38:19.129 Jacob Malleau: Informing people where the loading zones are, where the available loading zones are, when they're allowed to park there or not park there, and almost, yeah, affect decision-making through

260 00:38:21.080 --> 00:38:29.889 Jacob Malleau: through sharing that data directly with logistics drivers. And whether that's a formal partnership, or having some type of compliance around it,

261 00:38:31.170 --> 00:38:34.339 Jacob Malleau: I think that's a good application of CDS.

262 00:38:35.270 --> 00:38:38.700 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah, that would have… that could apply to almost all of these.

263 00:38:38.930 --> 00:38:46.679 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And that's a goal for CDS to certainly, like you said, with them in the realm of possibility, I think

264 00:38:46.740 --> 00:39:05.649 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: you know, we've talked to people, some people at the Urban Freight Lab who work with a lot of logistics companies, and I don't know if any logistic companies are on the call, but it'd be great to hear from you about this. I think the overarching idea, the sentiment, is that once

265 00:39:06.120 --> 00:39:18.859 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: something like CDS is published and requested, or even permitted to be used in multiple cities, then that's when the operators would spend the time to

266 00:39:18.860 --> 00:39:26.220 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Upgrade their technology stack and platform in order to then start ingesting it and doing it

267 00:39:26.310 --> 00:39:31.049 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: In one city, across all those cities that are asking for it. So.

268 00:39:31.170 --> 00:39:33.730 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah, we'd love to see that, and…

269 00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:51.680 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: maybe by having some… a concrete example of how to do that, which we… we do have some of that already, on the… on the website. But that… if multiple cities were going to do this at the same time, I think that helps make that happen.

270 00:39:55.920 --> 00:40:09.180 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): Hey, Michael, just a thought along the lines of loading, and kind of combining several of these concepts here. Flex zones, rideshare, AVs, reservations, or short-term commercial loading.

271 00:40:09.180 --> 00:40:17.900 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): You know, I'd love to see CDS deployed to actually move away from segmenting the curb with so many different uses.

272 00:40:17.900 --> 00:40:24.940 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): You know, a curb for commercial, a curb for passenger loading, a curb for, you know, something else, and actually just provide the curb

273 00:40:24.940 --> 00:40:41.490 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): and have it be dynamically managed and enforced so that whoever is using that, whether it's a commercial delivery, Amazon, say, DoorDash, or ride-hail pick-up and drop-off, AV pick-up and drop-off.

274 00:40:41.490 --> 00:40:54.240 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): That the system is able to capture that use and price it, perhaps, you know, by the minute or even by the second, and be able to capture more of, you know, manage demand

275 00:40:54.240 --> 00:41:06.849 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): From a true pricing perspective, instead of dividing the curb up into more and more segmented bits, which, at the end of the day, doesn't really maximize the use of that really valuable public space.

276 00:41:09.610 --> 00:41:16.240 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah, interesting idea. I wonder if anyone's, on the call is thinking about that, or doing it that way. I feel like…

277 00:41:16.730 --> 00:41:19.239 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I think about it, the way it… that…

278 00:41:19.460 --> 00:41:25.699 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: would work in practices, you sort of have… I mean, some of this is here, dynamic loading zones, right? Like, where…

279 00:41:25.930 --> 00:41:34.440 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: dynamic might mean it changes throughout the day, but also it could mean dynamic uses at the same time. So if a taxi pulls up.

280 00:41:34.650 --> 00:41:43.719 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: The system of sensors or camera would know that's a taxi, it has a certain permit, they are going to be billed this amount for using the curb.

281 00:41:43.970 --> 00:41:59.719 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Because they have access to it, privileged access, or something like that. And then if a freight truck pulls up, that is maybe a different price, even though it's the same curb zone, same time of day, and so you can have a lot of different types of uses at the same curb. Is anyone thinking about it that way?

282 00:42:10.220 --> 00:42:14.790 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: sort of gets into curb reservations. So I'll go… I'll jump over to curb reservations.

283 00:42:15.230 --> 00:42:21.940 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: which I think can be connected to a lot of this. Reserving spots.

284 00:42:23.690 --> 00:42:26.699 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Assessing demand from the reservations.

285 00:42:28.070 --> 00:42:29.440 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Curb usage.

286 00:42:31.330 --> 00:42:42.769 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: multi-agency curve asset data, which would be a great… is a great use case for CVS events, and understanding it across different agencies.

287 00:42:47.630 --> 00:42:51.530 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Then measurement of goals, changing policy.

288 00:42:52.210 --> 00:42:55.250 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Measuring if the change moved in the right direction or not.

289 00:42:58.790 --> 00:43:09.969 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Would anyone like to comment on this, sort of reservations of curb space that maybe connected it, or not connecting to the commercial loading zones or dynamic loading zones?

290 00:43:34.140 --> 00:43:39.630 Jacob Malleau: Maybe just… Something to add on this one is…

291 00:43:39.750 --> 00:43:41.590 Jacob Malleau: Kind of similar to what Andrew was saying.

292 00:43:41.710 --> 00:43:45.180 Jacob Malleau: Like, with reservation of the curb?

293 00:43:46.560 --> 00:43:52.159 Jacob Malleau: Well, there's a lot of applications to that. There's for moving permits, there's for film shoots, there's for construction.

294 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:59.750 Jacob Malleau: Which, typically, we think of those as just, like, permits, and less so this term of reservation, but effectively, what you are doing is

295 00:44:00.260 --> 00:44:10.489 Jacob Malleau: allocating an area of the curb for a given amount of time, and reserving that space for your dedicated use. And whether, with these reservations, or with, like, temporary conditions.

296 00:44:10.910 --> 00:44:13.410 Jacob Malleau: It does… it can get a bit messy of, like.

297 00:44:13.870 --> 00:44:18.710 Jacob Malleau: with CDS, like, you break this up into a bunch of different zones just for temporary use.

298 00:44:18.820 --> 00:44:21.890 Jacob Malleau: That then, like,

299 00:44:23.010 --> 00:44:31.479 Jacob Malleau: you no longer… like, once that permit goes away, then that curb is broken up for some arbitrary reason that isn't clear to the end user, so…

300 00:44:31.720 --> 00:44:36.690 Jacob Malleau: Yeah, just the ability of thinking of the curb as, like.

301 00:44:37.620 --> 00:44:43.939 Jacob Malleau: Not necessarily have the breaking up in all these little zones for every temporary use, but to have that ability to

302 00:44:44.250 --> 00:44:49.179 Jacob Malleau: Book any length of space, because say you're a moving truck that's 30 feet versus 20 feet.

303 00:44:50.180 --> 00:44:56.329 Jacob Malleau: or construction takes a different amount of space, it might change how you reserve that curb space.

304 00:44:58.810 --> 00:45:05.639 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah, I think… the CDS is built where that is certainly possible, as you know, Jacob.

305 00:45:05.830 --> 00:45:15.900 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Then it would be interesting, I'd love to see… I don't think I've seen a pilot or a program where curb space is priced, for instance, or reserved even.

306 00:45:17.310 --> 00:45:23.769 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: based on not only the time you spend there, but sort of the amount of space you take up. So maybe it's, you know.

307 00:45:23.970 --> 00:45:31.539 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: 50-foot curb space, and maybe you want to take up 30 for a large truck, that might be billed more than if you take up

308 00:45:31.650 --> 00:45:34.480 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: 10 feet for a small vehicle.

309 00:45:39.560 --> 00:45:46.980 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Understanding occupancy of those curb spaces is also, there's a few different use cases here for that.

310 00:45:47.600 --> 00:45:49.220 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Flexstones.

311 00:45:50.080 --> 00:45:55.090 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Directing the parking based on the historic occupancy information.

312 00:45:58.240 --> 00:45:59.490 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: scheduling.

313 00:46:01.270 --> 00:46:06.140 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Deliveries, that's part of, a reservation system.

314 00:46:06.540 --> 00:46:15.510 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Dynamic management for planned and unplanned events, more dynamic information here in this… Grouping that has been done.

315 00:46:16.900 --> 00:46:20.530 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And, let's see… let's get into enforcement.

316 00:46:20.750 --> 00:46:28.480 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah, unfortunately, through data sharing policies, that's an interesting one. I wonder if any… whoever wrote that could speak to that. That's something…

317 00:46:28.900 --> 00:46:39.770 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: CDS is built for, and really MDS is used for, like, a lot, pretty much by default, but would anyone like to talk about that enforcement through data sharing?

318 00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:50.609 Jacob Malleau: actually wrote that one as well.

319 00:46:51.080 --> 00:46:54.529 Jacob Malleau: But I think it's this… it's a similar thing, except flipped.

320 00:46:54.640 --> 00:47:02.469 Jacob Malleau: Like, the narrative's flipped, opposed to… Informing drivers of dedicated spaces.

321 00:47:02.630 --> 00:47:03.879 Jacob Malleau: You could then…

322 00:47:04.230 --> 00:47:21.820 Jacob Malleau: Well, if you're starting to inform them of that information, then you can enforce them accordingly. If they… if they know that those spaces exist and aren't using that space properly, then maybe there's something set up where you can charge a penalty for that, or in the reverse sense, incentivize to… to use those spaces.

323 00:47:22.160 --> 00:47:23.120 Jacob Malleau: Properly.

324 00:47:24.020 --> 00:47:37.340 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah, and are you also thinking for this, is the concept that the companies which share the data of their curb usage directly using CVS, as opposed to necessarily, like, requiring cameras or sensors at those zones?

325 00:47:40.250 --> 00:47:44.980 Jacob Malleau: Yeah, I mean… We do… enforcement definitely becomes…

326 00:47:46.900 --> 00:47:58.990 Jacob Malleau: Like, there's a benefit to using hardware, for sure, but yeah, if you could instead use geofencing, and you could, like, validate that your trip ended in a zone based off your location, and sending that,

327 00:48:00.140 --> 00:48:10.500 Jacob Malleau: well, even thinking of the MDS side of things, like, you have that rideshare start trip and end trip location, so then you can use that to validate that you used a pickup of

328 00:48:10.650 --> 00:48:13.040 Jacob Malleau: Pick-up and drop-off zone.

329 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:14.450 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah.

330 00:48:14.450 --> 00:48:16.650 Jacob Malleau: Or you can see that they used a no-stopping zone.

331 00:48:18.350 --> 00:48:25.940 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah, that's great. Well, Jacob, you got… Hugh and Curb IQ got a gold star today. Thank you for participating.

332 00:48:27.100 --> 00:48:38.369 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Public space activation. This is actually… I don't think this was captured specifically by the CURB collaborative group, but this is a nice one to think about as well.

333 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:49.389 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Using the curb and the managing the public realm in a way dynamically, or with… with policy.

334 00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:56.440 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: To create spaces for public activation and events, road closures, street festivals, things like that.

335 00:48:57.060 --> 00:48:59.159 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: That's a good one to record.

336 00:49:00.100 --> 00:49:04.260 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And then, here's a few, sort of, hodgepodge ones.

337 00:49:05.770 --> 00:49:10.380 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: ADA space reservations, analytics from enforcement.

338 00:49:11.210 --> 00:49:14.819 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Sensors, using sensors to determine occupancy.

339 00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:20.670 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: real-time mapping of curb regulations, and I assume, availability.

340 00:49:21.080 --> 00:49:23.630 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: of curb as well in there.

341 00:49:24.310 --> 00:49:28.580 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Automated enforcement, sharing information with the public.

342 00:49:28.740 --> 00:49:29.620 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah.

343 00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:33.050 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So really, if I think about most of these.

344 00:49:34.170 --> 00:49:37.850 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I think all… really, almost all of these, even the,

345 00:49:38.290 --> 00:49:44.769 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: public space activation could be done already with MDS and or CDS.

346 00:49:45.070 --> 00:49:48.539 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Together, or independently.

347 00:49:48.690 --> 00:49:55.560 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And so, that's… it's nice to see, in a way, that all the use cases you're thinking of are possible now.

348 00:49:55.680 --> 00:49:58.200 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: That gives us a path forward to

349 00:49:58.540 --> 00:50:07.150 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: go ahead and try to define the examples for how to do these things in a common way, using CDS and or MDS.

350 00:50:07.470 --> 00:50:14.650 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: I'm a little bit surprised that there wasn't any there that, were not possible.

351 00:50:14.720 --> 00:50:31.710 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: in CDS, because I think that… I think we could have a specific session on that, about thinking and brainstorming, and maybe we will in the future, around the greater right-of-way in the public realm and public space, and what could be done around things like…

352 00:50:31.770 --> 00:50:43.579 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Pedestrian tracking counts, or bike lane obstructions, or, turning movements through intersections, and things like that.

353 00:50:46.830 --> 00:50:47.840 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Alright.

354 00:50:50.010 --> 00:50:52.600 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So, that is…

355 00:50:52.940 --> 00:51:00.079 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: That's towards the end of the meeting now, so we've gone through and collected a bunch of, you know, a few dozen

356 00:51:00.250 --> 00:51:06.649 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: use cases and goals, which we will bring together and synthesize with the Curb Collab work, and then

357 00:51:06.890 --> 00:51:19.839 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: talk to the Curb Club cities about this again, and get their input on ones that they may have thought of because of this meeting, or looking at everyone else's. And then for a future meeting, we will bring this back

358 00:51:20.180 --> 00:51:29.379 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And help… ask for your help to prioritize the most common ones, the most common uses of the use cases that we come up with.

359 00:51:33.470 --> 00:51:39.899 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: So, yeah, CDS 1.1 is out. If you have questions about it, please let us know.

360 00:51:40.530 --> 00:51:45.309 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And feel free to start using it. Our next meeting is going to be May 19th.

361 00:51:46.330 --> 00:51:54.089 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: We have a getting started guide, we have… you're on this working group mailing list, get in touch with us to learn more or become a member.

362 00:51:57.270 --> 00:52:00.199 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: And here's how you can reach us.

363 00:52:01.500 --> 00:52:09.079 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Thank you all for participating so much today. If anyone has any final thoughts before we break, feel free to share.

364 00:52:09.570 --> 00:52:16.770 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): For those of you who will be joining the NACDA Designing Cities Conference in a couple of weeks.

365 00:52:16.770 --> 00:52:40.380 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): I reposted the link there that Aileen posted earlier for the OMF Academy workshop we're hosting Tuesday morning. Please feel free to join, and if you're not going to be there, but your colleagues are, other team members, please share the link. Please invite them. This is a valuable resource for the OMF community. We don't have lots of opportunities to do these types of workshops in person.

366 00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:48.909 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): So, highly encourage, if you're gonna be there in Minneapolis, please sign up, definitely share, with your, with your colleagues and team members.

367 00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:50.300 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): Thanks, Michael.

368 00:52:51.100 --> 00:52:52.350 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Yeah, thank you, Andrew.

369 00:52:54.350 --> 00:53:01.550 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: All right, thank you all for participating today. We'll get back with the recording notes and a list of use cases at a future meeting.

370 00:53:02.170 --> 00:53:03.100 Michael Schnuerle - OMF: Thank you.

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