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number: 985
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title: Stop putting secrets in .env
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date: 1773054000000
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url: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/FSI1226956606.mp3
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youtube_url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IkdUunf8g
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guest:
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- name: Phil Miller
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github: philmillman
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of: Varlock
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url: https://varlock.dev/
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social: https://www.linkedin.com/in/themillman/
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- name: Theo Ephraim
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github: theoephraim
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twitter: theozero
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of: Varlock
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url: https://varlock.dev/
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social: https://theoephraim.com/
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Scott and Wes are joined by Phil Miller and Theo Ephraim to talk about Varlock, a new approach to environment variables that adds schemas, validation, and security to the humble .env file. They dig into the risks of traditional env workflows, how schema-driven configs improve DX, and how tools like Varlock help manage secrets safely across frameworks, CI, and AI-powered workflows.
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### Show Notes
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* **[00:00](#t=00:00)** Welcome to Syntax!
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* **[03:15](#t=03:15)** The Risks of .env Files
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* **[04:58](#t=04:58)** Introducing [VarLock](https://varlock.dev/): A Unified Solution
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* **[06:56](#t=06:56)** Schema-Driven Environment Variables
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* **[11:47](#t=11:47)** Integrating with Various Frameworks
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* **[14:08](#t=14:08)** Brought to you by [Sentry.io](https://sentry.io/syntax)
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* **[14:32](#t=14:32)** Cross-Language Compatibility
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* **[17:50](#t=17:50)** Best Practices for Environment Variables
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* **[21:11](#t=21:11)** Security Features of Varlock
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* **[25:02](#t=25:02)** AI Integration and Environment Variables
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* **[29:12](#t=29:12)** Introduction to Varlock and GitHub Actions
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* **[32:45](#t=32:45)** Secrets Management and Best Practices
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* **[36:09](#t=36:09)** The Future of Varlock and Open Source
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* **[38:36](#t=38:36)** Sick Picks + Shameless Plugs
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### Sick Picks
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- Phil: [Bela.io](https://bela.io/products/)
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- Theo: [Wonder Man](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21066182/)
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### Shameless Plugs
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- Phil: [nauticalartifacts](https://nauticalartifacts.bandcamp.com/)
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- Theo: [howtostore.food](https://howtostore.food/)
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### Hit us up on Socials!
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Syntax: [X](https://twitter.com/syntaxfm) [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/syntax_fm/) [Tiktok](https://www.tiktok.com/@syntaxfm) [LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/company/96077407/admin/feed/posts/) [Threads](https://www.threads.net/@syntax_fm)
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Wes: [X](https://twitter.com/wesbos) [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/wesbos/) [Tiktok](https://www.tiktok.com/@wesbos) [LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/wesbos/) [Threads](https://www.threads.net/@wesbos)
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Scott: [X](https://twitter.com/stolinski) [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/stolinski/) [Tiktok](https://www.tiktok.com/@stolinski) [LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/stolinski/) [Threads](https://www.threads.net/@stolinski)
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Randy: [X](https://twitter.com/randyrektor) [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/randyrektor/) [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/@randyrektor) [Threads](https://www.threads.net/@randyrektor)

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